I am a big fan of ZODB and use it standalone (without Zope) on many projects of mine. One of the things I miss, is a community around it. I don't care much about Zope (though I admire it as a project) and have not being able to find a ZODB focused community. Is there one?
I think ZODB is a great product, the best Object-Oriented database for Python. It's a shame it does not have an active and vocal user community. Maybe ZODB has been eclipsed by Zope for too long. Zope is a cool project, but ZODB could appeal to a much wider audience than just web application developers.
Everytime I start a new application based on ZODB, I think: "what if the ZODB developers stop developing it...", "What if I find I serious bug or limitation in it, and can't motivate (or contact) the developers to fix it...".
I think many people abandon the Idea of using ZODB in their projects, because they can't identify a strong community interested in issues outside serving Zope applications.
Yet, ZODB has been alive for such a long time, feeding on the leftovers from the Zope community...
Isn't it about time ZODB is emancipated into a project standing on its own merits (which are many) and attracting its own community?
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to contigo. Eu havia pensado em algo semelhante.
ZODB has been available as a software component in its own right for quite some time. See https://launchpad.net/zodb
You might look at Repoze, which is breaking zope into different components, so they can interoperate with other python projects and be used piece-meal. The communities that grow around this will probably be a good place for the same kind of zope-without-everything-zope thing you want to do.
Hello Flávio,
As Richard Jones said, there is Launchpad, a great resource for proposals and bug reporting. There is also a ZODB mailing list [1] with a great community (not in size, but in value ;-)) and some people (including myself) are working on a zodb.zope.org website to aggregate all tutorials, faq, how-tos, etc. about ZODB (standalone and with zope).
1 - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zodb-dev
Richard and Dirceu,
Thanks for the info, I already knew the launchpad site, but it's not too informative at this point, but it does give reassurance to potential users that (stand-alone) ZODB is being actively developed.
Dirceu, It is great to know that there are people working in creating a ZODB site with up-to-date Documentation and tutorials. I think the lack of up-to-date documentationon on ZODB 3.8 is the greatest barrier to new users.
I recently found a ZODB 4.0a in Pypi but could not find anywhere a list of new features, or any information about it....
We need to change all that!!
Flávio,
"The ZODB 4 project has been abandoned. Much of the work done in that project was folded back into ZODB3." (Jim Fulton)
http://www.mail-archive.com/zodb-dev@zope.org/msg02557.html
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